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double-click to edit

Mark, you mentioned here, something about double-clicking to edit. That's a new one to me. Were you able to double-click a link to edit it? Somewhere on the page to edit the current page? Aeakett 16:53, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

OK, I think I have a tiny javascript snippet that should do what you want. Now I just need to find where we're supposed to put our user-specific javascript. When I find that out, I'll let you know. For the record, the .js snippet is: $("body").bind("dblclick", function(){window.location=window.location+'?action=edit';});

-Aeakett 01:39, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Just wanted to apologize for messing up so much over the past week. Legal text almost invites one to skim over the tough bits, and, unfortunately, that's what happened, causing me to miss some of the important parts. If there's anything I can do to help clean up, just send me a message, and I'll put it at the top of my to-do list. TheEldritchMrShiny 17:45, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Easier on the eyes?

Mark, copy the contents of User:Aeakett/wikia.css to User:Yoda8myhead/wikia.css and see if that helps your eye strain any. -Aeakett 14:06, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Did it help at all? —Aeakett 14:54, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey there,

Alrite I understand alittle bit better now about how the wiki actually works. Do you have to delete my new information now cause I don't really know how? I'll start working on actually citing references for what I write but I do understand I can't just be filling in things that the books say isn't true.

Thanks for clearing me up on this and if you have any advice on how to start integrating new topics into the wiki then please let me know. I'm a much more creative person who likes to use the box as a starting block for the rest of my ideas.

Have a good one,

Seero

Just checking in

Hello. I got your automatic welcome and thought I'd let you know that I'm not editing the substance of any articles yet, just caving in to my compulsion to correct improper spelling and grammar. (And despite being American, I know enough to leave British variations alone.) Also, I should note that I'm not very tech savvy, and this is the first time I've done this much on a wiki. Veltalcora 04:32, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

The wiki move

I'm really sorry I missed the discussion at http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Moving%3F since I have been hosting a mediawiki based site for many years, and definitely would have had some input. From reading over the discussion, I'd like to bring up some concerns that, hopefully, it's not too late to address.

If you want to host your own wiki, no matter the topic, I'd recommend that you ask the following questions:

Why does your wiki exist? Is it just an ephemeral reference? Do you want there to be a community around your topic? Are you looking to make the pages into permanent records of the topic?
If you want permanency, you need to think long-term, so you have to answer some hard questions:
- What happens when the person who owns the domain name dies / gets hit by a bus / decides to go on a walking tour of China for 3 years?
  - Can anyone else take over paying for the domain?
  - Will the registrar even talk to anyone else or will the domain lapse and be scooped up by someone who wants the click count?
- Is there a hosting provider involved?
  - What happens when they go out of business?
  - Can you back up your data outside of their service?
  - Who owns the account with the provider (see concerns, above for domain)
Have you considered what kind of traffic this could generate?
- What would the costs become if your topic became the subject of a major motion picture? What if the next U.S. presidential debate featured the question, "would you be bothered if your child was interested in ..." relating to your topic?
  - If costs went sharply up, how would you mobilize the community to pay for it?
Conversely, what happens in 10 years if the topic becomes obsolete (the next big thing eclipses it)? Will a very small number of interested people still be able to pay for it?
What happens in 50 years? Does the site just go away?

Most of these questions center around the problem that I have struggled with: how do I achieve permanence on the Web? I don't have a single set of answers, but moving away from Wikia seems to put all of those problems squarely in your lap, rather than in theirs. I am concerned by the forum discussion that I saw that long-term solutions to these problems were not clearly discussed before the move. Then again, perhaps the forum discussion wasn't the only thread of communication.

I hope my input helps. Good luck with the Pathfinder Wiki (I'll update my links wherever I can confirm that the pages exist here that I was linking to before). -Ajs 15:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I think you took my questions a bit more specifically than I intended them. This is sort of a "checklist" that I think anyone considering hosting a Wiki should review. When I asked things like, "Why does your wiki exist," I wasn't asking why the Pathfinder Wiki exists, since I know that. It's more a prompt to think about why it exists in the long-term.

A few other random points:

"Anything can happen, but thus far Alfred's had the domain for over 3 years and renewed it even when we were on wikia. If it became an issue the community would come together to purchase the domain from him and cooperate on paying for it, the same we are with the host we now use."

From experience, I can tell you that, when it "becomes an issue," it's far, far too late. At that point, you find that you don't have the authority to deal with it, and the domain is either "part of the estate" if he's dead or it's controlled through a registrar account that you have no control over, should he simply go missing. I know you want to be trusting, but it's not really a matter of trust. It's just the reality that people go away eventually. Sometimes it's because they have somewhere else to be, but eventually it's going to be permanent for all of us. If you want your Wiki to hang around for a couple of years or maybe even a decade or two, then you'll probably be OK, but eventually things will change.

Your options, here, are bounded by the resources at your disposal and Alfred's willingness to cooperate. I'd suggest that he retain administrative access / ownership to the domain, but list two other active people (like yourself and someone else) as the "billing" and "technical" contacts (this is standard DNS jargon, and will apply no matter which registrar he uses). In this way, you can make changes if they are required, even if he is on a long vacation when/if your hosting provider tanks or you come under some massive DDoS attack and need to re-point the IP to save your hosting provider from melting down. Beyond that, he should probably also have a will that lists the other admins as beneficiaries of the domain name.

"maybe Paizo will want to make the wiki official and buy the domain themselves"

Doubtful (though you work for them, and I don't, so maybe you know more than I do). There's a big benefit they get from having a Wiki that's controlled externally by the community: they can police it to some extent for compliance with Community Use, but failure to comply isn't their problem directly, and Wizards/Hasbro can't come after them for the community's mistakes.

"if they go out of business we move the wiki somewhere else"

Yes, this becomes a sub-set of the domain concerns if you look at it in that light.

"If they went under because people stopped clicking their ads, what would have happened to the site then?"

Yep, I understand your reasons for not wanting to play ball with Wikia. I'm not really arguing them, since that ship seems to have sailed. I'm more arguing for thinking out the consequences and planning ahead for the long road.

"if people stop playing or reading Pathfinder, who cares if there's a wiki for it?"

If that's the way you see it, then that's fine. My view of the things I've put up on the Web is that they are, to some extent, the legacy of my interaction with the world, and I'd hate to think they'll just go away for lack of interest. You don't have to think like me, though ;-) -Ajs 18:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Might want to make sure your co-workers have their bookmarks updated. Sean linked to the wikia Karzoug article yesterday... :) -- 24.177.4.193 18:21, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

A New User

Bodhisattva 22:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC): Hello! I am new to the Pathfinder Wiki. Is there any way that I can help you to contribute? I have a fair amount of experience with wikis and am well-versed in wiki-code, so I may be able to help out with templates and such. Just wondering where to get started, since there doesn't seem to be anything in the Wanted Pages. Thanks!1

Hello Bodhisattva, and welcome to PathfinderWiki. There are always tens of thousands of things to do around here, especially right at this moment. We have just moved to this site from a different server. Please excuse our rough look at the moment, as we're still getting our bearings in our new home. If you are interested in helping with coding, I would recommend that you post your interest on the Talk page of the admin Aeakett who spearheads most of these issues. In terms of adding content, I would recommend that you pick up any Golarion canon source you might have (AP material, PFS scenario, Campaign Setting, etc) and simply start writing about a topic that interests you and which has not been fully documented on the wiki. Also, we are always in need of spelling, grammar, and punctuation proofreading, so that is NEVER turned down. Let us know if you have any further questions. Best, --Brandingopportunity 23:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC) (a fellow admin)

Re: Category restructuring

I'll keep that in mind, and I'm glad to hear they're functioning once more. I'll filter what I can through our automated helpers. Unfortunately, I'm starting to realize that a fair number or articles are going to need a more human eye before this task is done; I'm finding many articles that have been miscategorized, while others in the same category have not. It's going to be a fair amount of work, but in the long run it'll be worth it.

I'll try to remember to flag what category edits I have to make by hand as minor edits, at the very least. If it gets too out of hand, I could possibly create a not-quite-a-bot account specifically for this purpose as well. We can address that as things move forward, though. -- Heaven's Agent 05:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Bodhisattva 03:31, 17 November 2010 (UTC): The use of existing templates can help solve a lot of category issues if you encode them properly. :)

Yeah, that's another agenda item. —Yoda8myhead 03:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Bodhisattva 03:40, 17 November 2010 (UTC): Is that something I can help you with?

Bodhisattva talk · contribs · Pathfinder Wiki Contributor 03:49, 17 November 2010 (UTC): Re: My User Page—I'll get right on it! :)

Looks like it would be appropriate for me to join the conversation as well. First, because I haven't done so yet, I want to welcome you to the the project, Bodhisattva.

Over the next several months, I'll be looking to condense and unify the project's category structure. Now, in the past I've been wary of utilizing templates to automatically add articles to categories; personal experiences have been bad, and any attempt to do so always seemed to result in some unforeseen errors, and rarely functioned as intended in the first place. That said, I understand a lot of these issues have been resolved over the last couple of years. Once a basic category structure is defined, we can look into giving automatic categorization via templates a go, though I fear the structure of our template designs may not lend themselves well to this end. In any case, it is definitely something we should consider. -- Heaven's Agent 04:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Help Needed!

I created an article called Storm King, redirected it to Korramzadeh (to use name, not title) then realised I'd spelt the name wrong so did a further redirect to Khorramzadeh. Thinking this was way too convoluted, I reversed the redirects, but as Khorramzadeh now already "exists" it won't let me redirect there from Storm King! Is there any way of sorting this out? --Amethal2 19:24, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

You can manually redirect by adding the text #REDIRECT [[target page name]] on the first line of an existing page and it won't try to create the target page. —Yoda8myhead 20:50, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Cheers, there is always more to learn on this wiki.--Amethal2 22:44, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

New to Wiki

Hi Mark,

I had a few questions and was hoping you or someone else can help answer. 1. What is the difference between these 2 2 wiki sites wwww.pathfinderwiki.com and www.pathfinder.wikia.com? 2. I have been working on a campaign for my D&D group and have created a city in the river kingdoms as a setting to our game. I have spent a lot of time on it and would like to share it with the rest of the community. It is all my ideas. What kind of permission do I need to get, if any from Pathfinder? -- This unsigned post was made by Vladikru. Please sign all posts with ~~~~.

Tweak to your template tests

Instead of doing:

{{ #if:{{{print|}}} | [[Category:Artwork from {{{print}}}]] | [[Category:Artwork from unknown sources]] }}

You should be able to do simply:

[[Category:Artwork from {{{print|unknown sources}}}]]

which uses the default value of the parameter if no value has been passed.

But, you've got the basics down perfectly - that's the start of auto-categorization.

--Morbus Iff 11:24, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Details on your bot?

What kind of bot is? I've used pywikipedia in the past, but I think it's getting old and crusty. --Morbus Iff 15:36, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm using pywikipediabot. My programming knowledge is limited, so while it's missing some scripts I'd like or has limited functionality with ones it does have, it's also something I can wrap my head around. If you know of another one that is more user-friendly and robust, I'd be interested in hearing about it. —Yoda8myhead 16:15, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Nope, I've no suggestion either. I've just "always" used pywikipediabot, and didn't know if there was anything better out there :) --Morbus Iff 16:25, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Another template example

Noticed you added keyword1, 2, etc. to the new File template. I've done the same thing for Books, only with trimmer code. In this approach, we have an unlimited number of entries (as long as they're sequential), and it will automatically stop when the next entry doesn't exist: {{ #foreach: author$n$ | [[Category:Works by {{{author$n$}}}]] }} --Morbus Iff 00:42, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Great suggestion. I wish I had understand that I didn't need to change anything on the pages transcluding the template to use it, though ;-/ Can you advise a good guide to some of the new terms, like $n$ and such, that one like myself who might want to learn how to make more robust templates could look over? Note that I am not a programmer and even some basic stuff can be difficult for me to grasp, so a "For Dummies" version would be preferred.—Yoda8myhead 22:01, 28 April 2012 (UTC)